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#1 03-11-2008 01:58:04

Alexgaara
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Registered: 03-11-2008

Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

First of all i think the place to post that was here (but my problem is not a bug i think).
Before write everything, beware, my english is very crapy.

So here is my problem, since i got the 1.1.0 update, i don't see the fizzler anymore.
I think the problem might be that when i download the update 1.0.0 to 1.1.0, my download have been corupted, and the only problem was i don't got the file who contain the fizzler, but i'm not an expert so that's why i post here.

Well i think pic and vid will be better that my english so here they are :

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/04/34/38/fizzle10.jpg
Well that's the only fizzler i saw in all the game (level 15)


http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/04/34/38/fizzle11.jpg
And here no fizzler in front of the elevator (level 11)

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/04/34/38/fizzle12.jpg
A better view i think.

Now the 2 video i made to show it:

For that one go to 1.50, it's where i try to show the problem

The more explicit of the 2 vid, at the end you can see the only fizzler i saw in all the game :)

Well i know that's a lot of stuff just to show my prob, but i wanted to be the more explicit as possible (i'm not sure i do it, but i would've test)

And a little thing about the french trad, there is an error at the end end of the level 11 :

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/04/34/38/error10.jpg

That's the moment where one of the fellow say :

"You know there is something i'd like to know,
How did they managed to create these energy stuff,
I mean, whe are in 2001, not in 3001"

"Vous savez, il y a vraiment quelqu'un que j'aimerais savoir"
"Vous savez, il y a vraiment quelque chose que j'aimerais savoir"

Yeah i'm french, i know that nicolas is french too, that probably would have been more simply to explain my problem in french, but i prefer wrote that message in english, for get the help/opinion of everyone, and also to train my english.

And oh i forgot, Prelude roxxx guys, you've done an awesome job on it, and you still fixed the bug, congrats, that the only thing i can say ;)

Last edited by Alexgaara (05-11-2008 00:26:45)

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#2 03-11-2008 13:42:32

NykO18
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

Really strange.
The fact that you can only see this fizzler and not the others is kinda irritating me.
Could you post the content of the ...\Steam\steamapps\SourceMods\portal prelude\particles folder and the content of the ...\Steam\steamapps\SourceMods\portal prelude\particles\particles_manifest.txt file?

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#3 04-11-2008 01:09:37

Alexgaara
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

So here are the 2 screen of the particles folder :

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/04/34/38/partic10.jpg
The particles folder.

http://i74.servimg.com/u/f74/11/04/34/38/partic11.jpg
And the particles_manifest file.

So when i see what contain the particles_manifest file, i think i need a lot of file for the game to work correctly, but i don't understand why in the 1.0.0 i was seeing the fizzler, and not anymore in the 1.1.0.
I mean, why in the 1.0.0 with these only 2 files i was seeing them, but i don't see them anymore in the 1.1.0with these 2 files.

Do I need to got the SDK stuff?

Well hope those picture gonna help you smile

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#4 05-11-2008 00:04:23

LTR.2
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Registered: 02-10-2008

Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

the same thing is happening to me too

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#5 05-11-2008 00:51:01

Pyro
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Registered: 22-10-2008

Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

I don't have that issue. But I wanted to know why level 15's fizzler as shown in the image of the original poster has round particles like that?

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#6 05-11-2008 06:28:45

Alexgaara
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

Pyro wrote:

I don't have that issue. But I wanted to know why level 15's fizzler as shown in the image of the original poster has round particles like that?

Hmmm, if i understand it right, you can see in my 2nd vid (here), at the end, the fizzler of the level 15 pic, and you can also see that the fizzler particles aren't really round.
It's only that when i take the picture, the image was stop, so basically i think the fizzler particles are round, that's just that the particles are moving, so we don't really see them round.

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#7 05-11-2008 07:35:35

Pyro
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

We do see them round. Even in that video they are round in comparison with the normal ones. All the other ones are small lines, but that one is the only one with "fat" particles. I think it is a ### bug.

EDIT: Look, so you can see that even this still image doesn't make the particles look different.

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#8 05-11-2008 11:34:31

NykO18
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

It's just a technical workaround, no big deal.
Also, try to use the console command "r_drawparticles 1".

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#9 07-11-2008 12:01:53

Alexgaara
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

Well so i try the "r_drawparticles 1" thing, but it doesn't work !

After i make the thing that i would have to do in first, which is totally reinstall the game with the full 1.1.0 installer, and guess what, it works.

I don't know what was the problem, cause i don't do any copy of my original portal prelude folder (what a mistake), so i'm really sorry i totally waste your time :s

The fact is everything works correctly now, i saw all the fizzler and don't have any problem (well only one, i dunno why, but all my save works correctly, but when i do new game for example, i just can choose the first room, not the others, probably cause this thing is not save in the "SAVE" folder, well not a problem at all, i'm just gonna redo the game, which is cool, cause i love it tongue)

Again i'm sorry i come here to post that before trying the first thing to do for any problem in any game.

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#10 07-11-2008 22:05:30

NykO18
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

You should not be sorry, looks like it's a problem with the 1.1.0 patch.
I thought about it but I couldn't believe it.
I don't know what's going on.

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#11 09-11-2008 16:53:20

Alexgaara
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Registered: 03-11-2008

Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

Well As I said before, the problem maybe come from a corrupted download, isn't that possible?
When I download it I didn't check the MD5, I was impatient to see the new fix & changement in the game, so I install it and launch it really fast ^^

After all if there still where a 1.0.0 version, i could install it and reinstall the 1.1.0 patch over it to retest if the problem really come from here, but there is no 1.0.0 version anymore so :s

Well after all, doesn't that possible that the problem come from a corrupted download?

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#12 09-11-2008 19:07:41

NykO18
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

I don't think so.
A lot of people seems to have this problem as I saw a lot of invisible fizzlers on some screenshots/videos.

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#13 19-11-2008 20:15:23

diegodd
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Registered: 02-11-2008

Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

i have a similar problem with the fizzlers.

in a full version of the 1.1.0 (not patched over a 1.0.0), i can see the regular fizzlers, BUT i CAN'T see the particles in the green ones (that i understand, are "portal only"), although i don't know for sure if they are supposed to show particles.

And also i can't see the particles (rays and things) in the 'disintegrators'.

this doesn't happen in the 1.0.0 version, so what could be wrong? maybe it is trying to use files from other orange box games? (Half Life 1 Episode 2 for example), and for those that don't have the games (or have them uninstalled like me, i only stayed with Portal from the whole orange box), the game can't render the particles? something should be wrong between version 1.0.0 and 1.1.0 particle files/manifest thing, i guess.

i also have a patched version of the 1.0.0 + 1.1.0 game, but i don't remember if the particle problems are there too. i'll check.

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#14 29-12-2008 18:34:31

NykO18
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Re: Fizzler problem (not a bug i think)

Strange bug that I don't know how to fix since I'm totally unable to reproduce it.

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